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SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Thu 9. Jan 2020, 22:18
by Local Hero
I have a big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over.
That item doesn't work correctly with RailModeller Pro.
It is not possible to use it to build Scalextric layout.

See attached 'Scalextric layout' example with that issue.

¿Has anybody that isuue too?

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Thu 16. Jan 2020, 23:50
by david oxford
Same here, with the two half-straights it is supposed to be a match for the C8210 crossover, but the latter matches up in RailModeller, while the former does not.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Sat 18. Jan 2020, 22:42
by david oxford
The dimensions they have for the C8295 match don't match the flat crossover, but do match the description on the Scalextric site:
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I did wonder the C8295 straights are a little longer to allow for the approach ramps being sloped (and thus a little shorted if viewed from above), but then the lower deck also seems to be different in length.

I don't have one to measure it out or try it. I'd get one or two if I was more confident they'd fit.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Sun 19. Jan 2020, 16:31
by david oxford
Interestingly, the Scalextric track plans book contradicts the idea that it's a straight swap (with half-straights) for the 90˚ crossover. Here, they use dual short straights instead of the half-straight (156mm instead of 175mm):
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All curves are 2R.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Tue 21. Jan 2020, 20:35
by Local Hero
I have the C8295 Elevated Cross Over and it measures 234mm. So if you add a C8207 Half Straight (175mm), the measure total is 409 mm that matchs with the C8210 Crossover 90º.

The C8295 Elevated Cross Over on RailModeller Application gives a measure of 264mm which is a mistake because my C8295 Elevated Cross Over measure 234mm

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Tue 21. Jan 2020, 22:02
by david oxford
The catalogue says 233mm, which ties in with your measurement.

But their web site refers to "¾ length", which would be 262.5mm, and this seems to be what RailModeller has used.

The real weird thing is the Scalextric official track plan book, by using the short straights, seems to be expecting the ¾ length measurement. I wonder if they actually built those circuits, or just drew them up in something like RailModeller?!

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Wed 22. Jan 2020, 23:54
by Local Hero
David,
Where have you found the Scalextric Catalogue which says that the measure is 233mm?

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Fri 24. Jan 2020, 17:22
by david oxford
2020 catalogue says on p94 that it is "three quarter length", which would be 262.5mm, but p93 explicitly says 233mm
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Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Fri 31. Jan 2020, 00:55
by david oxford
I decided to try editing the library file, I'd hoped it was in some format that I could understand, e.g. an XML or SQLite-based format.

But it's in a binary RSet (Apple Extensions Manager, apparently) format that I don't think can practically be edited without the source.

I don't have one of these units myself currently, but have two that should be arriving on Monday. I'll do some measurements and submit them to the app author, hopefully he'll update the library and do a new app release. In the meantime, I'm doing my design in RM Pro using 90˚ crossovers instead.

If anyone wants to try to look at the lib, right click (or shift click) on the app icon, and select "Show Package Contents". From there, go into Contents > Resources > Libraries > Custom > Slot Car where you will see a file called Scalextric Digital

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Sat 1. Feb 2020, 15:02
by Local Hero
I have already submitted the bug with the C8295 Elevated Cross Over Measurement but I don't have any news about it.
It is a pity because if the app author would correct, sure I will buy the app because it works very well on my Mac.

Note: David, I don't know what is the "RM Pro".

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Sat 1. Feb 2020, 20:56
by david oxford
RM Pro = RailModeller Pro.

RailModeller comes in two versions Express (which is free) and Pro (which costs ££). The free version has certain limits which are removed from the paid-for version.

I've also sent a report on it via email now.

There was a new release this weekend to 6.2.4 but it didn't have this fix.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Mon 3. Feb 2020, 22:47
by david oxford
The developer got back to me, and I've supplied him with measurements now that mine has arrived. He seems willing to make the fix.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Tue 4. Feb 2020, 22:31
by Local Hero
The developer has also contacted me and he has confirmed that is going to resolve the bug on upcoming releases of the RM Pro.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Wed 5. Feb 2020, 00:13
by david oxford
Good news! He/she seems like a very helpful person, it must take a lot of time to maintain that app.

Re: SCALEXTRIC | Big issue with C8295 Elevated Cross Over

Posted: Wed 5. Feb 2020, 11:30
by RailModeller Support
Thanks for the heads-up, we've updated the elevated track crossover section accordingly for the upcoming update (also included the C8435 ARC PRO Powerbase DIGITAL while at it..)

Cheers,
Jan